2 Cycle Oil In Your Gas Tank

[Draenor]

Well come on guys if they did what they should they would solve alot of issues we do right out of the gate to get our trucks running they way they SHOULD. How many have emssions issues with a blackbear, diablo, or superchips tune. And how many of us see better fuel mileage after a tune from blackbear or any of the others. Why don't they improve it. We have proven there is no issues with emissions, or fuel economy. THe BIG 3 are trying to meet stringent CAFE requirements when most of us do on a daily basis. Just my opinion.

That part of the problem. You have all these gov't hippies cramming this down the automakers throats. The gov't hippies make up claims, even though there is no scientific evidence to prove them, and everyone hurts because some law or standard gets put into effect. I guess I shouldn't get started on the so called Cap and Trade tax.

 

[Vmax2007]

That was always my understanding that making the transmission shift firmer and quicker reduces the slippage and thus eliminating any undue heat. Heat is an automatic transmission's worst enemy as you siad. I know this first hand as the 4L80E in my last dually grenaded itself due to excessive heat. THe tech that worked on it said heat was the issue. Of course there are pro's and cons to everything. You make the tranny shift firmer to save it. 2000 bucks or more to replace it. But the U-joints take a lil more punishment. 20 bucks for a u-joint 2K for a tranny. I like replacing u-joints over dropping tranny's . Not trying to argue but that is I think its a valid point. My theory is alot of what they do is so people keep going back for service warranty or not. ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY nothing else. They don't care about the consumer they care about there wallets. We want to make our trucks last so we do what has been proven to be things that help it survive.

What about the output gears (sun and planetary) and the rear end? ALL downstream components are subject to the shock load of firm shifts, it's not just U-Joints.

 

[99chevy7.4L]

True but the GM 14 Bolt in my dually is rated for alot more power then my engine will ever output. And this may not be the case in all trucks sure. The planetarys shouldn't mind a firmer shift....if its SLAMMING or banging going in of course those are extremes. Let me ask this if the ENGINEERS are all knowing. Why do they design things that all of us have worked on and said the ENGINEER should be FIRED for ever designing anything that way. Because its such a PITA to get to or work on. How many have ever yelled or cussed and said that engineer should be in the field working on some of the things we have to work on or with everday? Just my opinion. NO argument or demeaning intended as you said you are an engineer. But working on your truck I would tend to think there are a variety of things you would design differently.

 

[99chevy7.4L]

to end the debate I don't think they have any reason behind anything they do where money isn't the issue. Whether its tranny's engines, emissions, Fuel economy etc. Also if there are creative thinkers out there that want to be open minded and try new things WHY NOT. Granted alot of people won't see it that way BUT its still an idea. the 2 cycle oil might be a good idea to some but not to others. If they try it and have sucess whether its crazy MPG claims or cleaner engines so be it. Jus tmy opinion.

 

[Vmax2007]

True but the GM 14 Bolt in my dually is rated for alot more power then my engine will ever output. And this may not be the case in all trucks sure. The planetarys shouldn't mind a firmer shift....if its SLAMMING or banging going in of course those are extremes. Let me ask this if the ENGINEERS are all knowing. Why do they design things that all of us have worked on and said the ENGINEER should be FIRED for ever designing anything that way. Because its such a PITA to get to or work on. How many have ever yelled or cussed and said that engineer should be in the field working on some of the things we have to work on or with everday? Just my opinion. NO argument or demeaning intended as you said you are an engineer. But working on your truck I would tend to think there are a variety of things you would design differently.

Oh yes, I agree that even us almighty Engineers make mistakes on occasion.

But as a Machine Designer, I get critiqued all the time when my machines are being built and debugged. My response is usually showing them a blank computer screen and saying: "If you can do better, have at it". They usually shut up...for awhile anyway.

 

[Draenor]

True but the GM 14 Bolt in my dually is rated for alot more power then my engine will ever output. And this may not be the case in all trucks sure. The planetarys shouldn't mind a firmer shift....if its SLAMMING or banging going in of course those are extremes. Let me ask this if the ENGINEERS are all knowing. Why do they design things that all of us have worked on and said the ENGINEER should be FIRED for ever designing anything that way. Because its such a PITA to get to or work on. How many have ever yelled or cussed and said that engineer should be in the field working on some of the things we have to work on or with everday? Just my opinion. NO argument or demeaning intended as you said you are an engineer. But working on your truck I would tend to think there are a variety of things you would design differently.

This all comes back to upper management, lawers, budget, gov't mandates, etc. Engineers can only do so much till one of the above gets there hand in the cookie jar.
Try engineering and designing a network in the telecom industry. Once you get into a LEC(Local Exchange Carrier, ie ATT,Verizon, etc) tariffs mandated from the gov't come into play. ..and everyone must follow these rules and play fair. When I am told I can't do that.. I can't do it, even though it is physically possibly and cost wise.

 

[Draenor]

True but the GM 14 Bolt in my dually is rated for alot more power then my engine will ever output. And this may not be the case in all trucks sure. The planetarys shouldn't mind a firmer shift....if its SLAMMING or banging going in of course those are extremes. Let me ask this if the ENGINEERS are all knowing. Why do they design things that all of us have worked on and said the ENGINEER should be FIRED for ever designing anything that way. Because its such a PITA to get to or work on. How many have ever yelled or cussed and said that engineer should be in the field working on some of the things we have to work on or with everday? Just my opinion. NO argument or demeaning intended as you said you are an engineer. But working on your truck I would tend to think there are a variety of things you would design differently.

Oh yes, I agree that even us almighty Engineers make mistakes on occasion.

But as a Machine Designer, I get critiqued all the time when my machines are being built and debugged. My response is usually showing them a blank computer screen and saying: "If you can do better, have at it". They usually shut up...for awhile anyway.

Excatly. When a mistake or flaw is found it is usually corrected, ie a TSB or recall.

 

[99chevy7.4L]

the 2-cycle oil debate is just a non engineer trying something new. Shouldn't knock them for an idea that will not result in CATASTROPHIC failure. An opinion yea might work or no don't really think your getting anywhere is fine. Once in a while it might be something that makes a HUGE differnece. So knocking a creative mind isn't always a good idea. If its something that will result in blowing an engine or tranny then TEAR into them I agreee.

 

[Vmax2007]

Who tore into anyone? I didn't. I just gave my opinion on it.

 

[99chevy7.4L]

Never said you did if you read it the OP got frustrated because of all the negativity.