Oil Filter Study

[hotrodpc]

Hey guys, and few girls, Here is a cool study about oil filter quality. Seems this guy took alot of his own time to put this together. Great info for all the read when get some time. I sure don't use Fram filters anymore.

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

 

[Zembonez]

I think he did a good job with the study but the last update was in 2000. Much may have changed since then.

You guys might want to stop and read on this page for a ton of oil info.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

 

[hotrodpc]

I think he did a good job with the study but the last update was in 2000. Much may have changed since then.

You guys might want to stop and read on this page for a ton of oil info.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/

Good Point. Technology has come a long way in 10 years. I did not realize it was that old.

 

[Zembonez]

It's still an excellent read and a very well done study. I'd bet a lot of it is still true.

 

[motorking]

Filter study?

Good Morning,
I am the technical manager for FRAM filters. The "study" you refer to is nothing more than a old mopar fan cutting open filters and offering his opinion. Their is no science involved in this "study" at all. It is ten year old opinions. If it was a filter study about quality and filtration, it would include-
Efficiency ratings using ISO4548-12 filter tests. these numbers are usually available from the filter makers, this study just decided not to include them as they would not support his opinions.
Capacity ratings using ISO 4548-12 tests. this is the filters ability to trap and hold dirt during the life of the oil change
Burst strength- This is a test where you run oil at continuously higher pressure to see when it would fail. It tells you the ability of the filter to absorb pressure spikes.

The "study" makes fun of our fiber end caps and says they are poor quality, this is not true. We have used this manufacturing method for over 25 years with great success. In fact, Honda, Subaru now use this design as OE. AC Delco and Champion labs are now using it as well. I also just cut open a 48$ oil filter from a 240K Bentley Arnage, it too had fiber end caps. Toyota OE filters use no end caps at all, just glue to seal the ends of the media.
End caps are not a structural element of the filter at all. They exist to seal the ends of the media and nothing bonds to the media better than fiber caps.

One of our competitors has made an entire industry of cutting open their filter and ours and pointing out that we use fiber end caps and they use steel. They do this because they do not want to talk about what is important in filtration-Protecting your engine and filtering dirt from your oil.
I would be happy to answer any filtration questions you may have at [email protected]

 

[OldCracker29]

Good Morning,
I am the technical manager for FRAM filters. The "study" you refer to is nothing more than a old mopar fan cutting open filters and offering his opinion. Their is no science involved in this "study" at all. It is ten year old opinions. If it was a filter study about quality and filtration, it would include-
Efficiency ratings using ISO4548-12 filter tests. these numbers are usually available from the filter makers, this study just decided not to include them as they would not support his opinions.
Capacity ratings using ISO 4548-12 tests. this is the filters ability to trap and hold dirt during the life of the oil change
Burst strength- This is a test where you run oil at continuously higher pressure to see when it would fail. It tells you the ability of the filter to absorb pressure spikes.

The "study" makes fun of our fiber end caps and says they are poor quality, this is not true. We have used this manufacturing method for over 25 years with great success. In fact, Honda, Subaru now use this design as OE. AC Delco and Champion labs are now using it as well. I also just cut open a 48$ oil filter from a 240K Bentley Arnage, it too had fiber end caps. Toyota OE filters use no end caps at all, just glue to seal the ends of the media.
End caps are not a structural element of the filter at all. They exist to seal the ends of the media and nothing bonds to the media better than fiber caps.

One of our competitors has made an entire industry of cutting open their filter and ours and pointing out that we use fiber end caps and they use steel. They do this because they do not want to talk about what is important in filtration-Protecting your engine and filtering dirt from your oil.
I would be happy to answer any filtration questions you may have at [email protected]

Interesting. I've never used a Fram oil filter in my life. I've used the air filters before.

 

[Zembonez]

Good Morning,
I am the technical manager for FRAM filters. The "study" you refer to is nothing more than a old mopar fan cutting open filters and offering his opinion. Their is no science involved in this "study" at all. It is ten year old opinions. If it was a filter study about quality and filtration, it would include-
Efficiency ratings using ISO4548-12 filter tests. these numbers are usually available from the filter makers, this study just decided not to include them as they would not support his opinions.
Capacity ratings using ISO 4548-12 tests. this is the filters ability to trap and hold dirt during the life of the oil change
Burst strength- This is a test where you run oil at continuously higher pressure to see when it would fail. It tells you the ability of the filter to absorb pressure spikes.

The "study" makes fun of our fiber end caps and says they are poor quality, this is not true. We have used this manufacturing method for over 25 years with great success. In fact, Honda, Subaru now use this design as OE. AC Delco and Champion labs are now using it as well. I also just cut open a 48$ oil filter from a 240K Bentley Arnage, it too had fiber end caps. Toyota OE filters use no end caps at all, just glue to seal the ends of the media.
End caps are not a structural element of the filter at all. They exist to seal the ends of the media and nothing bonds to the media better than fiber caps.

One of our competitors has made an entire industry of cutting open their filter and ours and pointing out that we use fiber end caps and they use steel. They do this because they do not want to talk about what is important in filtration-Protecting your engine and filtering dirt from your oil.
I would be happy to answer any filtration questions you may have at [email protected]

PROVIDED you are actually who you say you are... We would love to have some input from a knowledgeable source. As you must realize, the internet is full of either outdated or biased "studies" concerning these products.

We would be happy to hear more.

JIM

 

[davbell22602]

I know super tech filters from walmart are better than fram.

 

[Draenor]

From 1st hand use/view, I have seen 3 engines(LB4 Vortec 4.3L, 5S-FE 2.2L, and EGA 3.3L) increase wear and oil consumption after they were switched to a fram filter, with the same brand/ weight oil. I had noticed after several oil changes, increased metal deposits on the drain plugs. I have also noticed an increase in oil consumption.

I dont know if this was a coincidence or not , but both engines are meticulously maintained and have had no problems prior to change. I am not going to run an analysis on these, as I can visually see a difference. Plus, the "customer" nor I are willing to spend the cost of one.
The "you get what you pay for" has convinced them to switch back to the (Wix) filter I had recommended before. Since the change back, all 3 appear to be running back to the pre-fram switch.

 

[hotrodpc]

Good Morning,
I am the technical manager for FRAM filters. The "study" you refer to is nothing more than a old mopar fan cutting open filters and offering his opinion. Their is no science involved in this "study" at all. It is ten year old opinions. If it was a filter study about quality and filtration, it would include-
Efficiency ratings using ISO4548-12 filter tests. these numbers are usually available from the filter makers, this study just decided not to include them as they would not support his opinions.
Capacity ratings using ISO 4548-12 tests. this is the filters ability to trap and hold dirt during the life of the oil change
Burst strength- This is a test where you run oil at continuously higher pressure to see when it would fail. It tells you the ability of the filter to absorb pressure spikes.

The "study" makes fun of our fiber end caps and says they are poor quality, this is not true. We have used this manufacturing method for over 25 years with great success. In fact, Honda, Subaru now use this design as OE. AC Delco and Champion labs are now using it as well. I also just cut open a 48$ oil filter from a 240K Bentley Arnage, it too had fiber end caps. Toyota OE filters use no end caps at all, just glue to seal the ends of the media.
End caps are not a structural element of the filter at all. They exist to seal the ends of the media and nothing bonds to the media better than fiber caps.

One of our competitors has made an entire industry of cutting open their filter and ours and pointing out that we use fiber end caps and they use steel. They do this because they do not want to talk about what is important in filtration-Protecting your engine and filtering dirt from your oil.
I would be happy to answer any filtration questions you may have at [email protected]

Welcome to the forum Jay. I'd be happy to see some updated data, provided it true and not biast data. Its a public forum and I don't think its against the forums rules to post such data. That would be interesting to see that Bentley filter opened up too. I think what you meant to say, was you cut open a $4 filter that retails for $48 since it has Benlteys name on it. Chances are its made by Fram, Champon Labs or some other company. Do you have pics of that one? That would be interesting to see.