I say he's busy in the labratory coming with a demo video for us. He'll be back with some good stuff.I wonder where he went. I'm just curious. He posted one time in this thread, and simply dissappeared.
From 1st hand use/view, I have seen 3 engines(LB4 Vortec 4.3L, 5S-FE 2.2L, and EGA 3.3L) increase wear and oil consumption after they were switched to a fram filter, with the same brand/ weight oil. I had noticed after several oil changes, increased metal deposits on the drain plugs. I have also noticed an increase in oil consumption.
I dont know if this was a coincidence or not , but both engines are meticulously maintained and have had no problems prior to change. I am not going to run an analysis on these, as I can visually see a difference. Plus, the "customer" nor I are willing to spend the cost of one.
The "you get what you pay for" has convinced them to switch back to the (Wix) filter I had recommended before. Since the change back, all 3 appear to be running back to the pre-fram switch.
1st I use nothing but Amsoil.Trader! You are supposed to be using AMSOIL filters.
The Jay makes very valid points. It is amazing how the net can start something just from ones opinion.
FRAM has gotten a bad rap. You seem to hear more about how someone has used them and that the filter took a turn for the worst and it ruined their engine. The main issue here is that I would say by far FRAM is the most widely used oil filter and so the odds of a faulty one making it to the market are great compared to others. As usual anything bad will spread like wild fire on the net.
I had a friend that ran nothing but FRAM oil filters and Castrol oil in his 86 Toyota pickup and he had over 300k miles on it with no issues. He contacted Toyota about a commercial since he had such high mileage, at least back in the 80's it was considered high, but they didn't return his calls.
I know that all the tests that AMSOIL does like their motor cycle oil study and gear oil study get bashed by individuals stating that it is biased since AMSOIL did the study. What most do not realize is if the tests were not fact then it couldn't be printed or AMSOIL would have a major issue with law suites from the other manufactures claiming so.
So if FRAM came out and did a study and it showed their product was better than others the same thing would probably happen.
You can't satisfy everyone. Even if an independent lab that had no connection to any specific product did the standardized tests you would find nonbelievers. It is sad to say but true.
Jay, as we all know it is the net and if you are who you say you are, we all would welcome technical info on FRAM filters and how they compare to other brands.
). Anyone of us can take it with a grain of salt or use the data to make their next purchase. It'll be more power to 'em.
1st I use nothing but Amsoil.Trader! You are supposed to be using AMSOIL filters.
The Jay makes very valid points. It is amazing how the net can start something just from ones opinion.
FRAM has gotten a bad rap. You seem to hear more about how someone has used them and that the filter took a turn for the worst and it ruined their engine. The main issue here is that I would say by far FRAM is the most widely used oil filter and so the odds of a faulty one making it to the market are great compared to others. As usual anything bad will spread like wild fire on the net.
I had a friend that ran nothing but FRAM oil filters and Castrol oil in his 86 Toyota pickup and he had over 300k miles on it with no issues. He contacted Toyota about a commercial since he had such high mileage, at least back in the 80's it was considered high, but they didn't return his calls.
I know that all the tests that AMSOIL does like their motor cycle oil study and gear oil study get bashed by individuals stating that it is biased since AMSOIL did the study. What most do not realize is if the tests were not fact then it couldn't be printed or AMSOIL would have a major issue with law suites from the other manufactures claiming so.
So if FRAM came out and did a study and it showed their product was better than others the same thing would probably happen.
You can't satisfy everyone. Even if an independent lab that had no connection to any specific product did the standardized tests you would find nonbelievers. It is sad to say but true.
Jay, as we all know it is the net and if you are who you say you are, we all would welcome technical info on FRAM filters and how they compare to other brands.
Its trying to get others to do the same. Some people just dont get the cost savings, plus the added values.
2nd..I never said Fram ruined the motor. I mearly noticed an increase of metal wear on the plug. This can be the cause of all sorts of factors.
What I was getting across is that, the Fram filters were letting more metal particles thru that other filters(Wix) was catching. The increase in oil consumption could be related to the excess metal loss that has now gotton thru. It is wierd that the consumption went down after the filter switch back. Actually the 4.3 was the only one that did not show signs of consumption.
And this was with the standard Fram filters. I have not tried out the top line ones they sport. I could do that next time some one needs a changing.
Any facts Jay can produce will benefit them and will be good info to have on the site(I'd start another thread though....and....Maybe become a SUPPORTING MEMBER
