Ram 1500 is getting a 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel... THIS YEAR!

[daddy]

No thanks. That diesel costs $2100 more than the Hemi in the GC so I bet it's atleast that much in the Ram. Take the better mileage, add $0.60/gal, and then add the $2100 and it works out where that it will take years to even out. Drop the price to even with the Hemi and we'll talk. For pulling: if it's too much for the Hemi, it's too much for a half ton.

I don't agree with that last part at all. With the right trailer, 420 ft-lbs should perform nicely.

I didn't say the TDI wouldn't pull better I said that if it was too much for the Hemi (which has 407lb-ft), it's too much for a half ton chassis, brakes, etc. Is a gain of 13lb-ft (at a lower rpm) and loss of 155hp worth $2000+? Not to mention the extra maintenance, increased complexity, urea injection, etc. Good sense where diesel is not so much more than unleaded. Here, not so much.

Those numbers are the output of the GC version. The RAM numbers have not been released yet.

Besides, there are many more possible uses for a mid-duty truck than just pulling. Service/delivery/work trucks for 15K less sure will look attractive to business owners and those self-employed.

It's not intended to replace the gas engine, it's a complement.

 

[MaddogJP]

Do some research on a turbo diesel torque curve versus a gas. The diesel is pretty much flat just off idle the gas has more of a curve. This means a diesel will tow much better than a gas with equal and even more torque because the average power is more across the rev range.

This is why they started putting CVT trans in cars because you can keep the engine at peak and adjust the gearing.

The 8 speed will help the hemi but I thought I saw that trans comes in everything.

 

[Nick The Great]

 

[NMRam]

No thanks. That diesel costs $2100 more than the Hemi in the GC so I bet it's atleast that much in the Ram. Take the better mileage, add $0.60/gal, and then add the $2100 and it works out where that it will take years to even out. Drop the price to even with the Hemi and we'll talk. For pulling: if it's too much for the Hemi, it's too much for a half ton.

I don't agree with that last part at all. With the right trailer, 420 ft-lbs should perform nicely.

I didn't say the TDI wouldn't pull better I said that if it was too much for the Hemi (which has 407lb-ft), it's too much for a half ton chassis, brakes, etc. Is a gain of 13lb-ft (at a lower rpm) and loss of 155hp worth $2000+? Not to mention the extra maintenance, increased complexity, urea injection, etc. Good sense where diesel is not so much more than unleaded. Here, not so much.

For the way I use a truck (lots of miles, mostly highway unloaded, with occasional towing of my camper or stock trailer) the diesel makes lots of sense.

My Hemi (390 hp, 407 ft-lbs) got 16-17 mpg and cost $1200 over the 4.7 when I bought my truck. The new 3.6 v6 costs $500 more than the 4.7 and is rated at 25 mpg, but only has 305 hp and 269 ft-lbs of torque, which would make the towing I do a miserable experience. If the diesel cost ~$2k and could pull off 25+ mpg, it would be worth it to me in the long run to buy it. The hp is not great, but the torque would make it livable.

That's why they offer different options, each buyer can figure out what works for them, I guess.

 

[dietz4ibanez]

That should be fun to mod!

 

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

I'd still rather want it to come with the Cummins ISB4.5 due to parts interchangeability with the ISB6.7 already fitted in the heavier Ram trucks, or the ISF3.8, which in spite of having only 160hp at 2600 RPM, has 450lb.ft. at 1300-1700 RPM. Anyway, seems like they went with this 3.0L V6 engine due to the perception of the amount of cylinders as a premium feature.

That should be fun to mod!

Banks Performance is already working on a higher-power version of it, initially targetting the military market as a replacement for the AM-General Optimizer 6500 still used in the Hummvee.

 

[slims]

No thanks. That diesel costs $2100 more than the Hemi in the GC so I bet it's atleast that much in the Ram. Take the better mileage, add $0.60/gal, and then add the $2100 and it works out where that it will take years to even out. Drop the price to even with the Hemi and we'll talk. For pulling: if it's too much for the Hemi, it's too much for a half ton.

I don't agree with that last part at all. With the right trailer, 420 ft-lbs should perform nicely.

I didn't say the TDI wouldn't pull better I said that if it was too much for the Hemi (which has 407lb-ft), it's too much for a half ton chassis, brakes, etc. Is a gain of 13lb-ft (at a lower rpm) and loss of 155hp worth $2000+? Not to mention the extra maintenance, increased complexity, urea injection, etc. Good sense where diesel is not so much more than unleaded. Here, not so much.

For the way I use a truck (lots of miles, mostly highway unloaded, with occasional towing of my camper or stock trailer) the diesel makes lots of sense.

My Hemi (390 hp, 407 ft-lbs) got 16-17 mpg and cost $1200 over the 4.7 when I bought my truck. The new 3.6 v6 costs $500 more than the 4.7 and is rated at 25 mpg, but only has 305 hp and 269 ft-lbs of torque, which would make the towing I do a miserable experience. If the diesel cost ~$2k and could pull off 25+ mpg, it would be worth it to me in the long run to buy it. The hp is not great, but the torque would make it livable.

That's why they offer different options, each buyer can figure out what works for them, I guess.

That v6 has more power than the 4.7. This is its first year in the truck. It's output will increase in a year or two.

 

[slims]

I think this is great

 

[NMRam]

No thanks. That diesel costs $2100 more than the Hemi in the GC so I bet it's atleast that much in the Ram. Take the better mileage, add $0.60/gal, and then add the $2100 and it works out where that it will take years to even out. Drop the price to even with the Hemi and we'll talk. For pulling: if it's too much for the Hemi, it's too much for a half ton.

I don't agree with that last part at all. With the right trailer, 420 ft-lbs should perform nicely.

I didn't say the TDI wouldn't pull better I said that if it was too much for the Hemi (which has 407lb-ft), it's too much for a half ton chassis, brakes, etc. Is a gain of 13lb-ft (at a lower rpm) and loss of 155hp worth $2000+? Not to mention the extra maintenance, increased complexity, urea injection, etc. Good sense where diesel is not so much more than unleaded. Here, not so much.

For the way I use a truck (lots of miles, mostly highway unloaded, with occasional towing of my camper or stock trailer) the diesel makes lots of sense.

My Hemi (390 hp, 407 ft-lbs) got 16-17 mpg and cost $1200 over the 4.7 when I bought my truck. The new 3.6 v6 costs $500 more than the 4.7 and is rated at 25 mpg, but only has 305 hp and 269 ft-lbs of torque, which would make the towing I do a miserable experience. If the diesel cost ~$2k and could pull off 25+ mpg, it would be worth it to me in the long run to buy it. The hp is not great, but the torque would make it livable.

That's why they offer different options, each buyer can figure out what works for them, I guess.

That v6 has more power than the 4.7. This is its first year in the truck. It's output will increase in a year or two.

The 4.7 is rated 310 hp and 330 ft-lbs of torque......that 60 ft-lbs over the v6's 269 is HUGE when you have a load.

 

[slims]

The numbers you have are for the last year of production of the 4.7 (best year) and the first year of the v6. The first year of the 4.7 had around 240hp. That v6 is the superior motor out of the two and will out do the 4.7 with its next improvements. Especially with the 8 speed. Not totally knocking the 4.7, just like the improvements.