Getting Ticked Off At My S10!!! - inconsistent idle

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For about the past 2 months, my S10 has been acting up in terms of idling. Shortly after I bought the truck, I cleaned the TB and MAF (both off of the truck). When I did the TB, I put a new gasket on since I already had everything off. I don't know if this could have attributed to the idle problem or not, but wanted to make it known. About 2 weeks ago I replaced the IAC (figuring that it might be bad after 172k). That didn't seem to solve the problem. Last week I replaced the TPS. It is a little better and does occasionally idle down.

I'll try to explain what it is doing now.
When I push in the clutch and let off the gas, it surges up about 200rpm almost every time. It always idles back down once I come to a stop, but can take 2 - 3 seconds to start idling down. When I take my foot off the gas with the clutch still engaged (or out), it doesn't always start slowing itself down. When I push the clutch in, sometimes it will hang between 1700 and 2000 rpm. It can still pull itself down the road at 30mph in 3rd and actually pick up speed (since 28-30mph = 1800-2000rpm). If I keep the clutch out until the engine gets down to around 1000, it will stay there and not rev back up

Tonight when I got home, I experimented a little bit with the IAC, TPS, and MAP. With either the TPS or MAP unplugged, the it would idle down, but then it would hunt between 600 and 900 rpm. From this observation, I believe the MAP is still just fine. And with the IAC unplugged, it revs uncontrollably like there is a huge air leak (gee, I wonder why!).


I've read on other forums regarding the 4.3L and the 5.0/5.7L:
1) some guys try replacing the coolant temperature sensor. I might try this next as it is only $14 and the temp gauge has never moved above 150 indicated since I got it and the previous owner said it always did that too.
2) someone said that GM and Dexcool acknowledge a problem in the S/T series trucks. Any thoughts on this?
On a side note, I was reading that GM and Dexcool now acknowledge a problem with it, especially on the S/T series trucks. But they attribute, air by nature of low coolant levels and a possible defective radiator cap as the issues. The OEM style cap is a Stant # 10231 I think it was, and they recommend replacing it with a Stant # 10230 or 11230. Just thought Id add that. I have the stock hoses on it but have Prestone in it now. I did a Dex-crap flush a while back, but still get some brown particles.
3) could low coolant cause this too?

I don't have a CEL light, but that might be burnt out for all I know.

From my symptoms (not constantly a high idle nor dieing by any means), I don't think it is a vacuum problem. However, if anyone has a vacuum line diagram or can tell me where they all are, I could investigate it more.


Alright, that's the best that I can explain it right now.

Any thoughts? Thank you!
 

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Sorry Matt, I got nothing for you.:(

Sounds like you've been doing a bunch of research on it and for $14 I would throw another part at it. :dunno:
 

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Put a scantool on it. Might be the EGR also.
I would.....but I don't have one. :(

Could I go to AutoZone have have them tell me anything or not?
I think they only read codes though. I don't think they can read things such as RPM, temp, speed, etc.
 

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The auto parts stores would probably be a waste of time if you don't have any codes set. They might be able to tell you if the blinker fluid is low though.:jester:

I kid, I kid!
 

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Sorry Matt, I got nothing for you.:(

Sounds like you've been doing a bunch of research on it and for $14 I would throw another part at it. :dunno:
Well, I've searched just about every S10 forum I can find (s10forum, s10planet, s10nation), but no one has a definite answer.

Why not! I've already got $20 in the IAC (got an amazing deal online; reg. $60 @ AutoZone) and $40 in the TPS.

Let's pray its not an EGR...that's $128 :eek:


One other thing I did read was something about a thing breaking off inside the ECM (can't remember where I saw it). Any idea what that could be? I haven't taken mine out to shake it yet.
 

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I've never heard of the cooling sensor causing idle issues like that...

But I suppose it's possible, since it will idle itself higher when it's really cold :dunno:

Hopefully the coolant sensor is the problem!

I'll see if my Haynes manual has a vacuum diagram in it for ya.
 

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The auto parts stores would probably be a waste of time if you don't have any codes set. They might be able to tell you if the blinker fluid is low though.:jester:

I kid, I kid!
:lol: I've actually had good luck with AZ reading codes. For the extra 5mi drive, I might as well do it out of piece of mind.
 

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The auto parts stores would probably be a waste of time if you don't have any codes set. They might be able to tell you if the blinker fluid is low though.:jester:

I kid, I kid!
:lol: I've actually had good luck with AZ reading codes. For the extra 5mi drive, I might as well do it out of piece of mind.


And they do it for free! :lol:

Even my GM dealers don't do mobile computer reading... Which is what I need to find my issues :lol:
 

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