Acadia issues, Traction control off, Service Stabilitrak

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I had Onstar run a test and they came up with the code C0161. From what I can tell when I Googled it, looks like a wheel sensor or possible brake pedal switch. I'll have to crawl under and look at all the wheel sensors and the switch on the brake pedal.

So let the trouble shooting begin! :)
 

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C0161 - ABS/TCS Brake Switch Circuit Malfunction
C0221 - Right Front Wheel Speed Sensor Circuit Open
C0222 - Right Front Wheel Speed Signal Missing
C0223 - Right Front Wheel Speed Signal Erratic
C0225 - Left Front Wheel Speed Sensor Circuit Open
C0226 - Left Front Wheel Speed Signal Missing
C0227 - Left Front Wheel Speed Signal Erratic
C0229 - Drop Out of Front Wheel Speed Signals
C0235 - Rear Wheel Speed Signal Circuit Open
C0236 - Rear Wheel Speed Signal Circuit Missing
 

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I know the Silverado/Savannah Vans had issues with the brake caliper rusting and lifting the ABS sensor away from the hub so it couldn't read the trigger wheel. You might try pulling the sensor bracket and cleaning underneath it.

I don't think my truck had traction control, nor did it ever throw any sort of code, it would cause the ABS to kick in when it wasn't supposed to.
 

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Well I accomplished some system diagnostics today and have found the following: When driving for a few minutes the system trips the "service stabilitrak" message and that traction control is turned off. Investigating further, I noticed the brake lights were on when the vehicle was parked and in park and the the brake wasn't pressed.

MS3DALE helped me out with researching the C0161 code. He sent me this info.

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2011 GMC Truck Acadia - 2WD | Acadia, Enclave, Traverse VIN R/V Service Manual | Document ID: 1875073
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DTC C0161
Diagnostic Instructions
• Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.
• Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.
• Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.
DTC Descriptor
DTC C0161 00
ABS Brake Switch Circuit
Circuit/System Description
The electronic brake control module (EBCM) monitors the brake pressure sensor voltage, vehicle speed, and a serial data message from the body control module (BCM) that the brake pedal is either Applied or Released. When the vehicle is stopping the EBCM detects the brake pressure sensor voltage increases and correlates the readings to the serial data message from the BCM that the brake pedal is applied, and the vehicle is slowing down, or when the vehicle is accelerating, the brake pedal is Released and brake pressure sensor voltage returns to 0 volts.
Conditions for Running the DTC
• The ignition is ON.
• The vehicle speed is greater than 11 km/h (7 MPH).
Conditions for Setting the DTC
• The EBCM detects the vehicle speed decreases, the brake pedal is released and the brake pressure sensor detects an increase in pressure.
• The EBCM detects the vehicle speed is greater than 11 km/h (7 MPH), the brake pedal is applied for one minute, and the brake pressure detects pressure less than the set value.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
• A driver information center message and/or a warning indicator may be displayed.
• The EBCM disables the ABS, the traction control and the vehicle stability enhancement system for the duration of the ignition cycle.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC
• The condition for the DTC is no longer present.
• The EBCM clears the history DTC when a current DTC is not detected in 40 consecutive drive cycles.
Note: During normal diagnostic and/or repair verification technicians may find that the ABS, Traction Control and/or Stability indicators may be ON with NO DTCs displayed by the EBCM. Do not replace the EBCM for this condition.
If the ABS, Traction Control and/or Stability indicators are ON with no DTCs set, perform the following steps:
1. Remove the key from the ignition, open and close the driver's door to turn off retained accessory power (RAP), and wait 60 seconds.
2. Ignition ON, if the ABS, Traction Control and/or Stability indicators are still illuminated, operate the vehicle at speeds greater than 16 km/h (10 MPH) to complete the self test. The EBCM should request all indicators to turn OFF.
3. If the indicators remain ON with no DTCs set after the drive cycle, disconnect the battery for at least 60 seconds then reconnect the battery.
4. Operate the vehicle at speeds greater than 40 km/h (25 MPH), the EBCM should request all indicators to turn OFF.
Diagnostic Aids
• DTC C0161 can set if the brake is applied while accelerating.
• DTC C0161 will be set if the brake is applied for 60 seconds while at speeds greater than 10 km/h (6 MPH), such as a two footed driving.
Reference Information
Schematic Reference
• Antilock Brake System Schematics
• Exterior Lights Schematics
Connector End View Reference
Component Connector End Views
Description and Operation
ABS Description and Operation
Electrical Information Reference
• Circuit Testing
• Connector Repairs
• Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
• Wiring Repairs
Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information
Circuit/System Verification
Note: If the ABS, and/or Traction Control indicators are ON with DTC C0161 set in history, perform the conditions for clearing the DTC and inform the customer that two footed driving set this DTC.
1. Ignition ON.
2. Verify the stop lamps turn ON and OFF while pressing and releasing the brake pedal.
o If the stop lamps do not turn ON and OFF
Refer to Symptoms - Lighting.
o If the stop lamps turn ON and OFF
3. Refer to diagnostic aids.
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Further diagnostics proved that cruise control was also not available. Which makes sense if the brake lights are on. This proves that the brake pedal position sensor is out of calibration. Looks like I need to take it to the dealer to have it recalibrated. If that doesn't fix it then replacement of said sensor is next.

Upon driving home form Wilmington tonight on the interstate, cruise not working, I pulled back several times on the brake pedal until I noticed my brake lights went out. (we drove home in the dark so I could see my brake lights reflecting on the road in the review mirror) Once I got the brake lights out cruise started to work again.

Good to know it isn't anything major, sucks that the dealer has to fix it and I can't since I don't have the scan tool to do the calibration.
 

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I think that if you get under the dash and look at the brake switch... it IS adjustable.
Loosen the nut closest to the brake pedal and tighten the other nut about one full turn, then tighten the first nut.
Now see if your brake lights work as they should.
 

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I think that if you get under the dash and look at the brake switch... it IS adjustable.
Loosen the nut closest to the brake pedal and tighten the other nut about one full turn, then tighten the first nut.
Now see if your brake lights work as they should.

From what I have read, when you replace the brake position sensor it still has to be calibrated with the scan tool. So I'm thinking that it might just be out of calibration. I'm still going to look up under the dash and see what I can do.

Here is more info on diagnostics.

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2011 GMC Truck Acadia - 2WD | Acadia, Enclave, Traverse VIN R/V Service Manual | Document ID: 1911107
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Stop Lamps Malfunction
Diagnostic Instructions
• Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.
• Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.
• Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.
Diagnostic Fault Information
Circuit Short to Ground Open/High Resistance Short to Voltage Signal Performance
Brake Position Sensor 5 V Reference C0277 06, C0890 03 C0277 06 C0277 06, C0890 07 —
Stop Lamp Switch Signal C0277 06 C0277 06 C0277 07 C0277 09, C0277 4B
Brake Position Sensor Low Reference — C0277 06 — —
CHMSL Control B3445 00 3 4 —
Center High Mounted Stop Lamp (CHMSL) Ground — 3 — —
Stop Lamp Control 1 1 2 —
Stop/Turn Lamp Ground — 1 — —
1. Stop/Turn Lamp Inoperative
2. Stop/Turn Lamp Always ON
3. Center High Mounted Stop Lamp Inoperative
4. Center High Mounted Stop Lamp Always ON
Circuit/System Description
The brake pedal position sensor is used to sense the action of the driver application of the brake pedal. The brake pedal position sensor provides an analog voltage signal that will increase as the brake pedal is applied. The body control module (BCM) provides a low reference signal and a 5 V reference voltage to the brake pedal position sensor. When the variable signal reaches a voltage threshold indicating the brakes have been applied, the BCM will apply B+ to the stop lamps, center high mounted stop lamp (CHMSL), transmission control module (TCM), and engine control module (ECM). The stop lamps will not operate unless the ignition is in the ON position.
Reference Information
Schematic Reference
Exterior Lights Schematics
Connector End View Reference
Component Connector End Views
Description and Operation
Exterior Lighting Systems Description and Operation
Electrical Information Reference
• Circuit Testing
• Connector Repairs
• Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
• Wiring Repairs
Scan Tool Reference
Control Module References for scan tool information
Circuit/System Verification
1. Ignition ON, observe the scan tool BPP Sensor parameter while applying and releasing the brake pedal. The parameter should change between low counts and high counts when changing between the selected states.
o If the parameter does not change between the selected states, refer to the Brake Pedal Position Sensor Malfunction.
2. Observe the left and right stop lamps while pressing and releasing the brake pedal. The stop lamps should turn ON and OFF when changing between the selected states.
o If the left or right stop lamps do not change between the selected states, refer to the Stop Lamp Malfunction.
3. Observe the center high mount stop lamp while pressing and releasing the brake pedal. The center high mount stop lamp should turn ON and OFF when changing between the selected states.
o If the center high mount stop lamp does not change between the selected states, refer to Center High Mount Stop Lamp Malfunction.
Circuit/System Testing
Brake Pedal Position Sensor Malfunction
1. Ignition OFF, disconnect the harness connector at the brake pedal position sensor.
2. Ignition OFF, test for less than 5 Ω between the low reference circuit terminal C and ground.
o If greater than the specified range, test the low reference circuit for an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
3. Ignition ON, test for 4.8–5.2 V between the 5 V reference circuit terminal A and ground.
o If less than the specified range, test the 5 V reference circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
o If greater than the specified range, test the 5 V reference circuit for a short to voltage. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
4. Test for less than 0.3 V between the signal circuit terminal B and ground.
o If greater than the specified range, test the signal circuit for a short to voltage. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
5. Test for 4.8–5.2 V between the 5 V reference circuit terminal A and the signal circuit terminal B.
o If less than the specified range, test the signal circuit for an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
6. If all circuits test normal, test or replace the brake pedal position sensor.
Stop Lamp Malfunction
1. Ignition OFF, disconnect the harness connector at the appropriate tail lamp.
2. Test for less than 5.0 Ω between the ground circuit terminal listed below and ground:
o With RPO Z88 – terminal D
o Without RPO Z88 – terminal B
o If greater than the specified range, test the ground circuit for an open/high resistance.
3. Connect a test lamp between the control circuit terminal listed below and ground:
o With RPO Z88 – terminal E
o Without RPO Z88 – terminal A
4. Ignition ON, press and release the brake pedal. The test lamp should turn ON and OFF when changing between the selected states.
o If the test lamp is always ON, test the control circuit for a short to voltage.
o If the test lamp is always OFF, test the control circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance.
5. If all circuits test normal, test or replace the tail lamp.
Center High Mount Stop Lamp Malfunction
1. Ignition OFF, disconnect the harness connector at the center high mounted stop lamp.
2. Test for less than 5 Ω between the ground circuit terminal 1 and ground.
o If greater than the specified value, test the ground circuit for an open/high resistance.
3. Connect a test lamp between the control circuit terminal 2 and ground.
4. Ignition ON, press and release the brake pedal. The test lamp should turn ON and OFF when changing between the selected states.
o If the test lamp is always ON, test the control circuit for a short to voltage. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
o If the test lamp is always OFF, test the control circuit for a short to ground or an open/high resistance. If the circuit tests normal, replace the BCM.
5. If all circuits test normal, test or replace the center high mounted stop lamp.
Repair Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic Repair Verification after completing the diagnostic procedure.
• Brake Pedal Position Sensor Replacement
• High Mount Stop Lamp Replacement
• Tail Lamp Replacement
• Control Module References for BCM replacement, programming and setup
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I think that if you get under the dash and look at the brake switch... it IS adjustable.
Loosen the nut closest to the brake pedal and tighten the other nut about one full turn, then tighten the first nut.
Now see if your brake lights work as they should.

From what I have read, when you replace the brake position sensor it still has to be calibrated with the scan tool. So I'm thinking that it might just be out of calibration. I'm still going to look up under the dash and see what I can do.

Here is more info on diagnostics.

OK... After reading that, it looks like I might be wrong.
Your sensor may be more like a rheostat than just a brake light switch.
 

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