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[Primer88]

Nick,
A serious question for a change...
My car gets worse mileage when I am using fuel with ethanol in it... about 10% worse.
Other people that I have talked to say about the same thing.

If I am burning 10% more TOTAL fuel by using ethanol... where are the savings and what exactly am I saving ???

You are only saving money if the ethanol is cheap enough to offset the mileage loss. Your car probably runs better, but the mileage is worse, hands-down.

It is getting harder and harder to find REAL GAS anymore.
There is NONE available around here at retail stations.
I do sometimes find it when I am on trips.

When I can find it, my car actually runs a little better (slightly more power) idles smoother and gets a little better mileage.

Real gas and ethanol gas is usually the same price, or real close.... when I can find it.
I don't see where I am saving ANYTHING....

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

 

[Nick The Great]

Like daddy said, if it costs the same, it's not worth it. If it yields 10% less and costs more than 10% less, it's the right decision.

Politics aside, if I can get E85 for 30% less cost, and get 15% - 20% less mileage, it's a good deal.

 

[Nick The Great]

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

if ethanol is a corn subsidy, gasoline is an oil company subsidy.

 

[daddy]

Nick,
A serious question for a change...
My car gets worse mileage when I am using fuel with ethanol in it... about 10% worse.
Other people that I have talked to say about the same thing.

If I am burning 10% more TOTAL fuel by using ethanol... where are the savings and what exactly am I saving ???

You are only saving money if the ethanol is cheap enough to offset the mileage loss. Your car probably runs better, but the mileage is worse, hands-down.

It is getting harder and harder to find REAL GAS anymore.
There is NONE available around here at retail stations.
I do sometimes find it when I am on trips.

When I can find it, my car actually runs a little better (slightly more power) idles smoother and gets a little better mileage.

Real gas and ethanol gas is usually the same price, or real close.... when I can find it.
I don't see where I am saving ANYTHING....

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

But E85 does sure make the GM engines run well.

 

[Primer88]

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

if ethanol is a corn subsidy, gasoline is an oil company subsidy.

True but ethanol retains more water and ruins mileage. My 95 Buick Skylark got 4-5 more mpg on straight gas as opposed to E10.

 

[CJ Hungus]

Nick,
A serious question for a change...
My car gets worse mileage when I am using fuel with ethanol in it... about 10% worse.
Other people that I have talked to say about the same thing.

If I am burning 10% more TOTAL fuel by using ethanol... where are the savings and what exactly am I saving ???

You are only saving money if the ethanol is cheap enough to offset the mileage loss. Your car probably runs better, but the mileage is worse, hands-down.

It is getting harder and harder to find REAL GAS anymore.
There is NONE available around here at retail stations.
I do sometimes find it when I am on trips.

When I can find it, my car actually runs a little better (slightly more power) idles smoother and gets a little better mileage.

Real gas and ethanol gas is usually the same price, or real close.... when I can find it.
I don't see where I am saving ANYTHING....

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

But E85 does sure make the GM engines run well under boost.

Fixed.

 

[Nick The Great]

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

if ethanol is a corn subsidy, gasoline is an oil company subsidy.

True but ethanol retains more water and ruins mileage. My 95 Buick Skylark got 4-5 more mpg on straight gas as opposed to E10.

I don't care if you don't like ethanol. It's a free country. Don't use it.

But nothing chafes my hide more than the "subsidy" argument or the "food vs. fuel" argument. Hardly a shred of truth in either of those.

And the water retainage isn't what causes lower mileage. Ethanol has a lower HHV than gasoline (30% less). So you get 30% less efficiency per gallon. So E10 should technically yield 3% less mileage, all other factors equal.

Gas has less HHV than diesel. So you're wasting money by operating a gas engine, by internet logic

 

[Primer88]

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

if ethanol is a corn subsidy, gasoline is an oil company subsidy.

True but ethanol retains more water and ruins mileage. My 95 Buick Skylark got 4-5 more mpg on straight gas as opposed to E10.

I don't care if you don't like ethanol. It's a free country. Don't use it.

But nothing chafes my hide more than the "subsidy" argument or the "food vs. fuel" argument. Hardly a shred of truth in either of those.

And the water retainage isn't what causes lower mileage. Ethanol has a lower HHV than gasoline (30% less). So you get 30% less efficiency per gallon. So E10 should technically yield 3% less mileage, all other factors equal.

Gas has less HHV than diesel. So you're wasting money by operating a gas engine, by internet logic

I know the water isn't what causes the decrease in mileage. And "it's a free country, don't use it" argument doesn't work because in most parts of the country you are forced to use E10. I never said I liked subsidies nor do I care about the food vs. fuel argument. What I don't see is the point behind E10. It lowers mileage in most cars, especially ones that weren't designed specifically to use it. I don't see the environmental standpoint because Ethanol uses quite a bit of energy to produce and in the long run I don't see how having to run more gallons of E10 through your vehicle compared to straight gasoline to travel the same distance reduces emissions enough to justify it.

 

[daddy]

Nick,
A serious question for a change...
My car gets worse mileage when I am using fuel with ethanol in it... about 10% worse.
Other people that I have talked to say about the same thing.

If I am burning 10% more TOTAL fuel by using ethanol... where are the savings and what exactly am I saving ???

You are only saving money if the ethanol is cheap enough to offset the mileage loss. Your car probably runs better, but the mileage is worse, hands-down.

It is getting harder and harder to find REAL GAS anymore.
There is NONE available around here at retail stations.
I do sometimes find it when I am on trips.

When I can find it, my car actually runs a little better (slightly more power) idles smoother and gets a little better mileage.

Real gas and ethanol gas is usually the same price, or real close.... when I can find it.
I don't see where I am saving ANYTHING....

You aren't saving anything. E10 is nothing more than a corn subsidy just like the useless E85 garbage.

But E85 does sure make the GM engines run well under boost.

Fixed.

Too bad neither of us know that first-hand.

 

[Nick The Great]

And "it's a free country, don't use it" argument doesn't work because in most parts of the country you are forced to use E10.

Ain't government great?

The ironic part is in Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota and other midwestern corn producing states, you can readily get straight gasoline.