Too Much, Too Soon – What’s The Minimum Age for Responsibility?

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We all did stupid things growing up. Hopefully we learned from them, and we’re better, more responsible adults for having made the mistakes we did. But then again, for many of our readers our adolescent indiscretions took place in a very different time. Speaking for myself, the first car I ever bought with my own money was a 1971 Pontiac GTO, complete with 455HO power under the hood. I can’t tell you how many times that car tried to kill me – at age 20, I was ill-equipped to handle that much engine strapped to a tired A-body chassis with bald, cheap tires. But because the car was so treacherous, I learned to stay way below its limits, and as a result I never tested the effectiveness of the lap belts or other “safety features.”
Today, cars have never been safer. Case in point: the following crash, just last week, on SoCal’s infamous Glendora Mountain Road. Popular with mountain bikers because of the views, and motorcyclists and drivers for its many twists and turns, the GMR has seen its share of bad wrecks. But take a look at these photos of a wrecked 2010 Camaro SS, originally posted on 8thCivic.com, and ask yourself whether this crash would have been survivable in even a car as new as a 4th gen Camaro.



8thCivic member “blackonblack” describes the incident:
“So this past week my little brother flipped his 2010 Camaro SS up GMR. He was untouched thankfully. Basically what happened is if you guys know where the first sort of strait away is where you crest the top and can see Azusa side on your left and Glendora side on your right well its about a mile past that strait. Car smashed into the hillside causing it to go up the mountain side and bounce off flipping upside down. No word yet from the insurance but the car only had 6,500 miles on it.”



The 18-year-old driver walked away basically unscathed, despite the massive damage to the car. Taking a look at the carnage, you have to wonder whether or not any car you own would have let you live to tell the tale, but it also makes me wonder whether the cars we’re seeing now might actually be part of the problem. Traction and stability control, plus increasingly-advanced antilock brakes make the limits of current cars ridiculously high compared to what most of us grew up with, and seatbelt pretensioners, multiple airbags, and engineered crush zones make the consequences for exceeding those limits much less final than they used to be.



Beyond the obvious questionable wisdom of turning a teen loose behind the wheel of a powerful car, I wonder if all the safeguards in place will end up breeding a generation of future adults with no respect for the consequences of their actions. I know that when I was 20, I thought nothing bad would ever happen to me, even with that GTO always trying to swap ends or cross the center line on the freeway. If I had been driving a car as capable as a new Camaro, there are a lot of lessons that would have gone unlearned – impulse control was something that took me years to develop, even when I had a series of close calls to educate me. Disconnect cause from effect, and who knows what I might be like today.



You’re only immortal for a limited time, though, and I eventually figured out that the “fun” I was having wasn’t worth hurting myself or somebody else. But what if you never get that lesson in small doses? What if you end up with the resources and capabilities of an adult, but none of the knowledge that, to put it plainly, “stupid hurts”? Then, instead of losing a few hands of penny-ante while figuring out the game, you’re going all-in, all the time.



I’m not saying that we should make our cars less safe, or that a parent should intentionally put their child in jeopardy, no matter how small, to ‘vaccinate’ them against a terminal case of the stupids later on down the road. Everyone would rather write a check instead of an epitaph to cover their kid’s mistake. But I think that we need to find a better way to help the next generation of car enthusiasts navigate the dangerous stretch between getting a license, and finally gaining the understanding that ABS, ESC, and SRS aren’t magic.

 

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So, are you saying that the minimum age to get a drivers license should be raised just because the "consequences" of kids doing stupid stuff in a modern, safe, and high hp cars aren't as severe as they were with the tin-can "muscle" cars of the '70s?
 

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Hell of a story to read when my 16y/o is getting his license in 15 days!:facepalm:
 

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So, are you saying that the minimum age to get a drivers license should be raised just because the "consequences" of kids doing stupid stuff in a modern, safe, and high hp cars aren't as severe as they were with the tin-can "muscle" cars of the '70s?

He didn't say that at all. However, many States have in fact raised the minimum age to get a DL. When I turned 16 (1996) I walked into the DMV and left with my license that had no more restrictions than the one I have now.

A couple years later the State moved to a graduated license program. From what I understand when you turn 16 you get basically an advanced permit, allowing you to drive during certain hours, only with another licensed driver in the car (none of your teenage friends to distract you) and eventually, if you don't have any accidents or tickets, when you're 18 you get a full drivers license.

edited: Here's the process:
NC DMV said:
Graduated Licensing

If you are at least 15 years of age and have completed an approved driver education course that meets North Carolina requirements and can present a Driving Eligibility Certificate (issued by the public school system), a high school diploma or its equivalent, you may apply for a:

Level One Limited Learner Permit to operate vehicles requiring a Class C License.
• You must be at least 15 years old but less than 18 years old and reside in North Carolina.
• You must pass written, sign and vision tests.
• All passengers must be restrained by seat belt or child safety seat.
• No one except the driver and the supervising driver* are allowed in the front seat.
• During the first six months, a level one permit authorizes you to drive between the hours of 5 a.m. and 9 p.m., while accompanied by your supervising driver*.
• Six months from level one issuance, you are eligible to drive anytime with a supervising driver*.
• You are not permitted to use a mobile telephone or other additional technology associated with a mobile telephone while operating a motor vehicle on a public street or highway or public vehicular area. {Exception}—You can use it to call the following regarding an emergency situation: an emergency response operator; a hospital, physician’s office or a health clinic; a public or privately owned ambulance company or
service; a fire department; a law enforcement agency; your parent, legal guardian or spouse.

Note: Before graduating to level two, you must keep this permit for at least 12 months and have no convictions of motor vehicle moving violations or seat belt/mobile telephone infractions within the preceding six months.

Level Two Limited Provisional License
• Drivers must be at least 16 years old, but less than 18.
• All passengers must be restrained by seat belt or child safety seat.
• Supervising driver* must be seated beside the driver.
• You may drive without supervision from 5 a.m. until 9 p.m. and at any time when driving directly to or from work or any volunteer fire, rescue or emergency medical service, if you are a member.
• When the license holder is driving the vehicle and is not accompanied by the supervising driver*, there may be no more than one passenger under 21 years of age in the vehicle. This limit does not apply to passengers who are members of the license holder’s immediate family or whose primary residence is the same household as the license holder. However, if a family member or member of the same household as the license holder who is younger than 21 years of age is a passenger in the vehicle, no other passengers under 21 years of age who are not members of the license holder’s immediate family or members of the license holder’s household, may be in the vehicle.
• You are not permitted to use a mobile telephone or other additional technology associated with a mobile telephone while operating a motor vehicle on a public street or highway or public vehicular area. {Exception}—Same as above.

Note: Before graduating to level three, you must keep this license for at least six months and have no convictions of motor vehicle moving violations or seat belt/mobile telephone infractions within the preceding six months.

*Supervising Driver: A supervising driver must be a parent, grandparent or guardian of the permit/license holder, or a responsible person approved by the parent or guardian. A supervising driver must hold a valid driver license and must have been licensed for at least five years.

Level Three Full Provisional License
• The restrictions on level one and level two concerning time of driving, supervision and passenger limitations do not apply to a full provisional license.
• If you are under the age of 18, you are not permitted to use a mobile telephone or other additional technology associated with a mobile telephone while operating a motor vehicle on a public street or highway or public vehicular area. {Exception}—Same as above.


I'm sure we're not the only State to change to this method.
 
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We have three kids who all got their licenses at 16 and had virtually zero driving issues. ANY segment of society has a few who think they are bulletproof. If you move the age up... they will just get into trouble at a later age.

What we need in this country is better driver education and a much more difficult to attain driver's license.

It would also help if parents didn't give little Johnny (or Susie) a 400HP car to go learn how to drive in.
 

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