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Bernie, I know nothing about it but I remember reading I believe on pirate that a lot of guys are switching to whatever they use to tie up boats because the elasticity helps with a snatch but it is still crazy strong. Do you have any info about that? I want something different for winter this year (good money in carrying a strap here) mine just gets to be a pain when it's soaked and covered in ice it's heavy as hell and hard to work with.
 
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Bernie, I know nothing about it but I remember reading I believe on pirate that a lot of guys are switching to whatever they use to tie up boats because the elasticity helps with a snatch but it is still crazy strong. Do you have any info about that? I want something different for winter this year (good money in carrying a strap here) mine just gets to be a pain when it's soaked and covered in ice it's heavy as hell and hard to work with.

That would most likely be nylon. Nylon is pretty elastic, and can stretch about 40% under load before breaking, which would help in the reduction of sudden shock loads. Braided nylon would give more controlled elongation, but regular three strand will work good enough.
 

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How thick of a rope would you need for pulling cars or trucks? All I know about strength of Nylon is to check the charts for our lifting straps at work.
 
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How thick of a rope would you need for pulling cars or trucks? All I know about strength of Nylon is to check the charts for our lifting straps at work.

1" nylon 3 strand twisted would give you a SWL of about 2,800 lbs. and a breaking strength of about 14,000. But, as I said earlier, splicing an eye or putting a knot in it reduces that by about 1/2, and nylon loses about 25% of its strength when wet (soaking wet, not just rained on), so you might want to go a bit heavier, say 1.25" or 1.5", depending on the loads you expect to put on it.

However you do it, just remember to use common sense safety precautions such as not allowing anyone to be in-line (and for 45 degrees either side) with the rope while under load, using proper attachment hardware and attachment points (it really sucks when you pull on a bumper and it comes through your back window), making sure the vehicle you're pulling is in neutral with the brakes off (amazing how simple that is to forget), wheels pointed in the direction you want it to move, etc. Also, understand the difference between a static load, dynamic load, and a rolling load.

Static load is a load that's not moving, just hanging or just under tension.

Dynamic load is a load that you're actually pulling on and trying to move, or is moving.

Rolling load is the rolling resistance of the vehicle you're moving, and differs from trying to drag that same weight without the benefit of wheels (or flat tires, high centered, etc.) and will be easier to move, but harder to stop (due to mass and inertia). As an example, one guy in decent shape can get a 5,000lb. vehicle rolling pretty easy on level ground with four good tires, the brakes off and the gears in neutral. Ten such guys would have a helluva time moving that same vehicle 6" with the brakes on, flat tires, or the tranny in park. :)
 

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Sounds good, if you have any links or more in depth math behind this feel free to post it. I'm kind of a math nerd.
 
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Sounds good, if you have any links or more in depth math behind this feel free to post it. I'm kind of a math nerd.

You should be able to find plenty of links through Google, but let me see what I can find...

Okay, here's a link to the breaking strength formula: http://www.boatsafe.com/marlinespike/breaking.htm

And here's a good chart of the various common rope types and properties: http://www.us-rope-cable.com/HTML/chart.html

Orion Ropeworks is a company I've bought from in the past and they have a lot of info on their site: http://www.orionropeworks.com/index.htm

This is a decent PDF file about rope: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14251_ch4.pdf

And this is a pretty good PDF file for basic rigging: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14251_ch6.pdf
 

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That's a nylon rope in the picture. It's brown from dirt and mud. :)

It looks more like a cotton rope to me. You can still see the white near both ends and the fibers look like cotton. That would be really stupid, but I am pretty sure that is what it is. :dunno:
 
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That's a nylon rope in the picture. It's brown from dirt and mud. :)

It looks more like a cotton rope to me. You can still see the white near both ends and the fibers look like cotton. That would be really stupid, but I am pretty sure that is what it is. :dunno:

Could be, but no way to really tell without handling it or having a better pic. From his description I assumed nylon, and we all know what happens when you assume. :D
 

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I just stole that picture from some where else. I've seen a couple pictures and that though before with similair style rope.

Thanks for the links to. I read through a bit of the shorter ones, but the longer ones will have to wait till after exams.

Orion looks like they've got just about every rope some one could ever need, I did not notice a section to order though, but they're probably dealing with larger orders then some one that would want less the 100'. Still got to get around to ordering that strap too, but they've got alot of interesting things I'm still browsing through.
 

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