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New CTS-V appears to be a beast
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Sounds vicious!
I don't miss a manual. After experiencing the DCT in the BMW, I don't see why some people seem think they "need" a manual. But, whatever. You're spending that much $$ on a car and you want it a certain way, you should be able to get it that way. (Nevermind that sometimes the "autos" are sometimes quicker than the manuals.
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Regardless of that, GM does need to make some major advancements in their transmissions. If they want to compete with BMW, Mercedes, etc., they need to step up their game in a big way.
The more I've driven the CVT in the Accord, the more I think all CVTs should operate that way. Give it some gas, it tightens up the ratios, like a regular automatic would do in a downshift, and it goes. Well, it goes as much as 180-something hp "goes."
The more I've driven the DCT in the BMW, the more I know I'll miss that when I get a car that doesn't have one.
Can Justin work wonders with the tuning on the GM transmissions? Sure! But, GM should tune those SOBs better from the factory to be a lot less sluggish, especially if they want to claim they're as good as BMW, Mercedes, Audi, etc.
Speaking of GM tuning, they need to MASSIVELY work on their traction / stability control systems, too! Most of the time when the little light blinks on the dash of the BMW, I don't really notice that it has stepped in. It's more like a gentle "let me tighten that corner up for you a little," not "HOLD on there! Let me slow you the fWONk down and TELL you you were goin' too fast, fokker!"
When the ATS-V Coupe comes out, I'll probably go drive one. Then, I'll probably go drive an M4 and see how much GM still needs to step up their game. We'll see if either ever ends up in my garage, though.
Majority of the time, these "stability control systems" that you speak of are turned off when a sports car get's driven like a sports car should be driven.
That being said, I am not familiar with any issues with such traction/stability controls in the Cadillac's or other GM vehicles just because I have not experience other than some Vett and Camaro time.
One thing I know for sure, if a Camaro can shave lap times on a track quicker than a AWD Nissan GTR whether these functions of stability/traction are on/off. I would say they work pretty well!
I'd take the conventional auto if y'all don't want it, though a stick and three pedals would be better. Manuals aren't for speed, it's for fun. Also, GM's 8 speed is supposed to be a very quick shifter, like Porsche DCT quick. Though I have doubts as to whether GM knows how to program it. DCTs are too clunky around town in day-to-day driving for me, although I'm curious how Acura's DCT with a torque converter to smooth things out drives.
Darkanion
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When I had my truck, I thought GM's system was fine. You gun it too much, you break it loose a little, and it steps in to woah you up. I didn't find it to be much different from the Acura I had before it or the Subaru and now Honda that I've had since it. (The Honda system hasn't seemed to evolve much from what I remember having in the '04 TSX I had.)
The ATS I drove a few months ago had the same type of "slap you on the hand, that's too fast for us to deal with" feeling that the truck had.
Having spent some time (over 5k miles now) behind the wheel of the Z4, if GM wants to compete with the likes of BMW, MB, etc., they need to step up their game on their electronic nannies and their transmissions (at least). Their claimed goal is to be "the benchmark of the world."
Right!
They have a ways to go on that where some of their systems are concerned.
When I had my truck, I thought GM's system was fine. You gun it too much, you break it loose a little, and it steps in to woah you up. I didn't find it to be much different from the Acura I had before it or the Subaru and now Honda that I've had since it. (The Honda system hasn't seemed to evolve much from what I remember having in the '04 TSX I had.)
The ATS I drove a few months ago had the same type of "slap you on the hand, that's too fast for us to deal with" feeling that the truck had.
Having spent some time (over 5k miles now) behind the wheel of the Z4, if GM wants to compete with the likes of BMW, MB, etc., they need to step up their game on their electronic nannies and their transmissions (at least). Their claimed goal is to be "the benchmark of the world."
Right!
They have a ways to go on that where some of their systems are concerned.
I don't think it's fair to compare the nannies in a 8 year old truck to a Bimmer and expect a 2015 CTS-V to behave the same. Surely, the system will be much better in the Caddy. If I recall most have praised the nannies in the Vette.
Darkanion
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I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not saying they can't do it. But, I'd have to see the proof in how it drives before I'd pay what GM is going to ask for that '16 CTS-V.
Same here!
I guess I've adjusted to the quirks of the DCT in the Z4.
I either drive it conservative or aggressive. The mid-range stuff can sometimes get a little "c'mon! what are you doing!?" But, have it in the right mode or use the paddles to put it in the gear you want and it's a lot of fun to drive. VERY quick shifts, up or down.
Darkanion
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I don't think it's fair to compare the nannies in a 8 year old truck to a Bimmer and expect a 2015 CTS-V to behave the same. Surely, the system will be much better in the Caddy. If I recall most have praised the nannies in the Vette.
A '14 ATS didn't seem to be any better than the '07 Sierra Denali. I can only compare it to what I've driven and since Cadillac isn't advertising that they are using a different system, I can only expect that they're using the same crappy system.
If the yahoos at the Chevy dealership had let me test drive a Vette, maybe I would be driving one of those and could attest to improvements. They didn't. So, I'm not. So, I can't.
Like I said previously, any vehicle I've ever been in and intentionally "punched it" I've always turned off the traction control, DUH!
When I had my truck, I thought GM's system was fine. You gun it too much, you break it loose a little, and it steps in to woah you up. I didn't find it to be much different from the Acura I had before it or the Subaru and now Honda that I've had since it. (The Honda system hasn't seemed to evolve much from what I remember having in the '04 TSX I had.)
The ATS I drove a few months ago had the same type of "slap you on the hand, that's too fast for us to deal with" feeling that the truck had.
Having spent some time (over 5k miles now) behind the wheel of the Z4, if GM wants to compete with the likes of BMW, MB, etc., they need to step up their game on their electronic nannies and their transmissions (at least). Their claimed goal is to be "the benchmark of the world."
Right!
They have a ways to go on that where some of their systems are concerned.
Vehicles like the Cadillac will not have any problem's competing with a BMW by any means.
Customers who buy either simply could care less about the other!
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I don't think it's fair to compare the nannies in a 8 year old truck to a Bimmer and expect a 2015 CTS-V to behave the same. Surely, the system will be much better in the Caddy. If I recall most have praised the nannies in the Vette.
A '14 ATS didn't seem to be any better than the '07 Sierra Denali. I can only compare it to what I've driven and since Cadillac isn't advertising that they are using a different system, I can only expect that they're using the same crappy system.
If the yahoos at the Chevy dealership had let me test drive a Vette, maybe I would be driving one of those and could attest to improvements. They didn't. So, I'm not. So, I can't.
I expect the V's to have the Vette's different modes for the nannies instead of the on and (mostly) off like the rest of GM's. I don't remember what they call them but if I remember there's the normal granny mode, a track type mode that only intervenes when you've really fucked up, and a full off (maybe a few in between too).
