1998 Chrysler Cirrus 2.5L Cloud Car wont start!

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Found this. Posting it so I will know where it is later.:D

If you disconnect the battery the fault codes are erased so you need to hook it back up and try to start it again. If it won't start then check for new fault codes without disconnecting the battery. Fuse N in the power distribution center (30A) is what supplies power to the ASD actuation coil and switch points (red/white wire) on pins A and B ( pins toward the front of the car and the outside of the box, respectively). If when you crank the engine there are signals from the cam and crank sensor indicating that the engine is turning then the powertrain controller gets those signal and grounds pin C (toward the rear of the car) and that actuates the coil and allows the points to close which sends power out pin D to the plugs, fuel pump, oxygen sensor, etc. If you aren't getting that power, then probably the points aren't closing because probably either the cam or crank sensor isn't working. But note I said probably, you can't be sure why until you either check the sensor signal wires or get a fault code for one or the other sensor being bad. You can check the ASD function because the powertrain controller will close the points for 1 second when you turn the ignition switch to 'run'. So see if you see that at the ignition coil 12 volt wire (dark green/orange) for 1 second. If you do, then you know the ASD and its circuit are OK. And the question is what doesn't the PCM like about the situation (which sensor signal is missing)? You can remove the relay and jump from pin B to D (sideways across the box, not lengthwise) which will power the fuel pump and spark coil, and you can try and start it (but it still may not start without the signals). Just don't drive around with it that way because it is dangerous in the event of an accident to have the fuel pump still running.
So let me know what you learn.
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Found another:

elsewhere said:
I also had this issue on my 1998 Cirrus, it was the cam position sensor. A bad crank position sensor will also leave you with no spark or fuel.

What does eveyone think do this sound like sound ideas?
 

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2000 to 2002 Cadillacs had a problem with a bad batch of crank sensors.
They would also cause stalling or near stalling when stopping at a light or stop sign.

Based on what you have said so far.... I would be checking the Crankshaft sensors.

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2000 to 2002 Cadillacs had a problem with a bad batch of crank sensors.
They would also cause stalling or near stalling when stopping at a light or stop sign.

Based on what you have said so far.... I would be checking the Crankshaft sensors.

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:withstupid: A bad cam sensor shut my '99 Chevy down. :dunno:
 

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I am leaning towards cranks sensor to. I have to do some more looking/working today.
I hope it isn't the cam sensor cause on this car the cam sensor is the distributor bolted right to the back of the head in contact with the cam and that is about a 700-800 dollar part if I remember right.:eek:
 

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So at the parking lot on the first night I did this
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Then today at home did this
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and then with the scanner connected cranked the engine and watched that no RPMs were present.
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So I went and got a Haynes manual and found the fuel system and ignition systems will not operate with out the PCM receiving a signal from the crankshaft position sensor.
 

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Fun last night. At least it is cool at night. 1:30am-2:30

ok last night I got the crank sensor off and proceded to test it. now if I did this right then the signal voltage is not correct which tells me what?? the book says should be 8.0v it was .2 if I tested it right check image.

Then I couldn't figure out how to back probe the sensor while installed and crank it over see to check if the sensor is bad. I will play with that tonight. so. . .

Now it says if the signal volts are not 8.0 check for a short or check the wire. but it was at .20 so what does that mean.
If you all can not tell I am not to electrical.
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It says that if there is no signal voltage than I need to take to the dealer for PCM check. but it has some so . . . I guess I am stuck about the fact it has some, it is not a definite 8.0 or 0.0??

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Now is this the right way or was I way off???
 

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Took the car to a chrysler guru I use to work with and with in 2 minutes found it was the computer(course if i had a full blown scanner not a code reader I could have too).

So two hours labor and $450 computer later she is running. and all the before issues gone. guess when we all start to loose our minds we act funny before we just quit.:D
 

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