Is a Future Chevelle Possible?

[CJ Hungus]

E=CJ Hungus;466678]

I doudt they will put the 454 in the car if they bring it back but it would be sweet!!

Yeah, it would be REALLY hard to fit a big block into today's cars.

The 454 is NOT a big block. It is achieved from the Small block LSX block. You can even get a tall deck LSX small block and get really crazy with the cubic inches.

You are correct that you can "build" a 454 from the LSX small block but a GM 454 IS a Big Block. You can special order from GM performance parts an LSX based 454. I know of nothing that it's even been in for production based vehicles.

If not familure with the Big Block 454 is also the same size as the GM 502 and 572 crate engines. Old school stuff but grunts to say the least!!

Sorry that I did not specify... THIS 454 they are talking about is not a BBC. The old ones were, yes. This 454 LSX is nothing compared to the GM crate 454 BBC. And yes, there is nothing planned on doing a LSX blocked motor for any production based vehicle. GM has shown that you can get huge power and reliability from relatively small cubed motor and FI.

 

[Tucson Z60]

GM sorta whored out the SS moniker over the last few years. Granted the truck and the trailblazer where nice vehicles they were never worthy in my opinion of the classic SS badge. It should have been reserved for a truly capable car based platform.

I am talking about the Monte Carlo SS, it was not a performer but it did look good and it defined the vehicle as a Super Sport with other package add ons like the body. The 90's Impala SS is great example of what was done right with the SS badge. You got what the SS brought in the 60's and early 70's (72 it stopped 73 for Camaros) was performance, body styling add ons.

GM's first whoring out of the SS started on the SS454 pick up. Some things should just be left alone. SS for Cars, Z/28 for Camaro, Z71 for trucks, Z06 for a Vett.

GM seems to think they can put an SS badge on something and it transforms a Cobalt into a street machine. The malibu in my opinion from a purist stand point should be the vehicle to transform into the Chevelle because that is where the Chevelle came from in the begining. Problem is the malibu has made name for it's self (finaly) after some failed attempts this generation of Malibu is great car for what is intended for......family and daily transportation.

We were spoiled by the ability of GM, Ford and Dodge to transform our family cars into Muscle cars. Some of them still have that basic formula but todays demands for the base vehicle to be a family car, good on gas, safe and somewhat sporty it's hard to do and please everyone.

I think the new term for GM for the upscale car you can get is LTZ....This works as you can load up with options. caddy has done it right with calling the CTS a CTS/V when you get the V-8. I have feeling that if we see a Chevelle it's it's going to be somehting CTS based or G8 based, since both can transform from V-6 to V-8, it makes more sence to rebody a CTS into Chevelle that to bring in the G8 platform to me. The CTS is proven the CTS/V is a proven performer. The gripes anyone might have for it not being refined etc would be over looked if it were bodied as a Chevelle and carried SS badges. It expected to be rough a little clunky and not total performance car or a total luxary car. I think it could work if GM did it this way but that is only my opinion and it's something that would be worthy of an SS badge.......finally!!

Let's NOT build anything off the Malibu's platform, please.
We don't need an FWD Chevelle

Everyone is talking retro right?? Where did the Chevelle come from? It came from a Malibu, so from a purist stand point that's where it would come from again and not be a seperate model.......it was never a seperate model from the mailbu ever. I also state that it's not going to come from that car if they do build one. It can't. I think that even GM knows they can't live up tto the Chevelle name with the current malibu. If GM does build one GM will just whore out the Chevelle name to some Camaro, Cts or G8 based car and call it done. Remember the Chevelles that were built off the GTO platform. Those never happened eighter.

They should just leave well enough alone and call it something else and drop the retro crap and build a new car and call it something original. They will never build something that looks anything like any old Chevelle/Malibu. It's time to get over it. If they were going to do a retro car they would have build a first gen styled 2010 Camaro. What ever they build will be looked upon as not retro enough.....too retro or not a Chevelle. Why even go there? Just call it something new, this way they don't spoil anything and eveyone will talk about the car and not the other crap about too retro, not enough retro or that's not a Chevelle/ malibu.

BTW: The new 2010 Malibu for what it is a great car. I had one for a rental for a few months while on travel. If you need a transpo car or desent family car it's better than a Camary or any of the other offerings in it's class in my opinion and it less expensive. The V-6 car performs ok for what it is and still gets good MPG's. but it could never carry a Chevelle badge.

Idea:
Use the name Monaro......

 

[Tucson Z60]

E=CJ Hungus;466678]

I doudt they will put the 454 in the car if they bring it back but it would be sweet!!

Yeah, it would be REALLY hard to fit a big block into today's cars.

The 454 is NOT a big block. It is achieved from the Small block LSX block. You can even get a tall deck LSX small block and get really crazy with the cubic inches.

You are correct that you can "build" a 454 from the LSX small block but a GM 454 IS a Big Block. You can special order from GM performance parts an LSX based 454. I know of nothing that it's even been in for production based vehicles.

If not familure with the Big Block 454 is also the same size as the GM 502 and 572 crate engines. Old school stuff but grunts to say the least!!

Sorry that I did not specify... THIS 454 they are talking about is not a BBC. The old ones were, yes. This 454 LSX is nothing compared to the GM crate 454 BBC. And yes, there is nothing planned on doing a LSX blocked motor for any production based vehicle. GM has shown that you can get huge power and reliability from relatively small cubed motor and FI.

The LSX based stuff is nice and it bad ass.....very nice but it's expensive!! The one thing you can't get from them though is the big block torque and the sound. You just can't build the displacement in the LSX or any other small block based engine and get the whole 454 package......

 

[svensk]

Why would you get less torque out of a 454 small block then a 454 big block? You can slap a carb on an LSX and get just as much torque. Arguably, the sound is likely different from the valve events in the LS engine.

 

[drperry]

Why would you get less torque out of a 454 small block then a 454 big block? You can slap a carb on an LSX and get just as much torque. Arguably, the sound is likely different from the valve events in the LS engine.

Old man values die hard

But I think he's referring to the fact that most big blocks have massive torque at low RPM's
Most LS based engines have peak torque at 4000 RPM.

 

[nubuilder]

Since we're on the topic of TQ, does FI make the same amount and at the same RPM as a carb does?

 

[drperry]

Since we're on the topic of TQ, does FI make the same amount and at the same RPM as a carb does?

The 4.3 V6 is the same

It's always had its peak torque around 2800 RPM (minus the turbo version)

 

[nubuilder]

Since we're on the topic of TQ, does FI make the same amount and at the same RPM as a carb does?

The 4.3 V6 is the same

It's always had its peak torque around 2800 RPM (minus the turbo version)

I was just curious in general. But our 4.3 pulls pretty good. Especially in a light S10 ...I'd still trade it to drop in a 350 .

 

[drperry]

Since we're on the topic of TQ, does FI make the same amount and at the same RPM as a carb does?

The 4.3 V6 is the same

It's always had its peak torque around 2800 RPM (minus the turbo version)

I was just curious in general. But our 4.3 pulls pretty good. Especially in a light S10 ...I'd still trade it to drop in a 350 .

I'm aiming to shove an LS engine into mine.

I'd imagine that other engines are the same... It's the cam, intake runners, and exhaust that determines where your power band is (cam more than anything else)

My 4.3 is a dog
Jame's Sonoma scoots... It's got the 4.3 with 3.73s

 

[GATOR CREW]

as long as it still looks like this....

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